diff --git a/MUNGA_L4/L4VB16.cpp b/MUNGA_L4/L4VB16.cpp
index 5801e48..cb888e2 100644
--- a/MUNGA_L4/L4VB16.cpp
+++ b/MUNGA_L4/L4VB16.cpp
@@ -3981,7 +3981,15 @@ static RadarPlacement
 			{ "RIGHTCENTRE",	RadarMidRight }
 		};
 
-		cached = RadarBottomCenter;
+		//
+		// The pod had it dead centre under the viewscreen, so that is the
+		// default for a pod. A Live Cam is a shot, not a cockpit: dead
+		// centre is the worst place to put a panel on a picture, so a
+		// camera station defaults to the bottom-left corner instead.
+		// L4RADARPOS still overrides either way.
+		//
+		cached = Application::IsCameraStation()
+			? RadarBottomLeft : RadarBottomCenter;
 
 		const char *text = getenv("L4RADARPOS");
 		if (text != NULL)
diff --git a/RP_L4/RPL4GAUG.cpp b/RP_L4/RPL4GAUG.cpp
index 55f80f8..65e5ad3 100644
--- a/RP_L4/RPL4GAUG.cpp
+++ b/RP_L4/RPL4GAUG.cpp
@@ -1557,6 +1557,21 @@ void
 		DrawNames(worldToView);
 		localView.DetachRecorder();
 
+		//
+		// RP412CAMLOG: the sweep reached the drawing phase at all. If the
+		// counts above are non-zero and this never appears, the gauge
+		// slice is not getting this display as far as phase 3.
+		//
+		if (RPCameraLog())
+		{
+			static int drew = 0;
+			if (drew < 3)
+			{
+				++drew;
+				DEBUG_STREAM << "CamLog: nav drew (phase 3 reached)\n" << std::flush;
+			}
+		}
+
 		// deliberately falls through into default case
 
 	default:
@@ -1631,6 +1646,26 @@ void
 	Test_Tell("x= " << xMin << "..." << xMax << "\n");
 	Test_Tell("y= " << yMin << "..." << yMax << "\n");
 	Test_Tell("z= " << zMin << "..." << zMax << "\n");
+
+	//
+	// RP412CAMLOG. Once, not per sweep - this runs at the gauge rate and
+	// would drown the log. Says whether the nav display has a sane centre
+	// and scale at all, which is the first question when the map comes up
+	// empty on a camera station.
+	//
+	if (RPCameraLog())
+	{
+		static int said = 0;
+		if (!said)
+		{
+			said = 1;
+			DEBUG_STREAM << "CamLog: nav scale " << currentScale
+				<< "m across, " << pixelsPerMeter << " px/m, centre "
+				<< viewing_position.x << "," << viewing_position.z
+				<< " bounds x " << xMin << ".." << xMax
+				<< " z " << zMin << ".." << zMax << "\n" << std::flush;
+		}
+	}
 	Check_Fpu();
 }
 
@@ -1661,6 +1696,25 @@ void
 		xMin, yMin, zMin,
 		xMax, yMax, zMax
 	);
+
+	//
+	// RP412CAMLOG. The counts are the whole question: furniture with no
+	// content means either nothing fell inside the bounds above, or the
+	// drawing steps are not being reached. Reported for the first few
+	// sweeps only - the lists are rebuilt at the gauge rate.
+	//
+	if (RPCameraLog())
+	{
+		static int sweeps = 0;
+		if (sweeps < 5)
+		{
+			++sweeps;
+			ChainIteratorOf<Entity*> statics(staticEntityList.GetInstanceList());
+			ChainIteratorOf<Entity*> movers(movingEntityList.GetInstanceList());
+			DEBUG_STREAM << "CamLog: nav in bounds - " << statics.GetSize()
+				<< " static, " << movers.GetSize() << " moving\n" << std::flush;
+		}
+	}
 	Check_Fpu();
 }
 
@@ -2851,6 +2905,36 @@ void
 			intercomEnabled = intercom->GetChannel() != Icom::undefinedChannel;
 		}
 
+		//
+		// RP412CAMLOG. Says what the ranking widget can see: how many
+		// players are in the group and what rank and score each carries.
+		// A score that never moves is either not replicated to a camera
+		// host or simply has not changed - this tells the two apart. Every
+		// few seconds, not every sweep.
+		//
+		if (RPCameraLog())
+		{
+			static Scalar next_say = 0.0f;
+			if ((Scalar) Now() >= next_say)
+			{
+				next_say = ((Scalar) Now()) + 5.0f;
+
+				ChainIteratorOf<Node*> say(all_players->groupMembers);
+				Player *seen;
+				int shown = 0;
+				DEBUG_STREAM << "CamLog: ranking sees " << say.GetSize()
+					<< " player(s):";
+				while ((seen = (Player*) say.ReadAndNext()) != NULL && shown < 8)
+				{
+					++shown;
+					DEBUG_STREAM << " [bmp " << seen->playerBitmapIndex
+						<< " rank " << seen->playerRanking
+						<< " score " << (int) seen->currentScore << "]";
+				}
+				DEBUG_STREAM << " ourRank=" << currentRanking << "\n" << std::flush;
+			}
+		}
+
 		//-------------------------------------------
 		// Clear the current array
 		//-------------------------------------------